If, for example, [incompr.] suggestion which has been in the news, you raise the eligibility age for Medicare, then what you're doing is privatizing it in part. What you're saying is that people who have employer-based insurance or other forms of private insurance have to hang on to that when they're 66 and into, say, 67 [incompr.] they hit the age when they can shrug it off and get onto Medicare. That's privatization. That's what it is.

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